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		<title>By: Jon Trouten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Trouten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 12:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the very kind words, anonymous.  Give it time and some patience.  Your parents might be reacting so strongly now b/c your connection to the topic is relatively new to them and a bit frightening.  Andrew can be a good resource.  Also, check out GCN (gaychristian.net) to find other GLBT Christians.  Some are like me and have families.  Others accept being gay, but are sexually celibate b/c of personal religious beleifs.  Others date.  Lots of others are just trying to figure it all out.  Both sites are good places to think about how you can be GLBT and Christian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the very kind words, anonymous.  Give it time and some patience.  Your parents might be reacting so strongly now b/c your connection to the topic is relatively new to them and a bit frightening.  Andrew can be a good resource.  Also, check out GCN (gaychristian.net) to find other GLBT Christians.  Some are like me and have families.  Others accept being gay, but are sexually celibate b/c of personal religious beleifs.  Others date.  Lots of others are just trying to figure it all out.  Both sites are good places to think about how you can be GLBT and Christian.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 07:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jon,

reading through your post, and the following questions and answers made me cry so hard...  you&#039;re so confident and heartfelt, and i can see that you love god and your husband very clearly. my very conservative parents tell me how wrong homosexuality is and i&#039;ve heard the verses over and over (especially since they found out about my closet relationship), but something inside of me tells me that there is more to it... stories like yours keep me on the fence. it&#039;s so hard to know what to believe.

best wishes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jon,</p>
<p>reading through your post, and the following questions and answers made me cry so hard&#8230;  you&#8217;re so confident and heartfelt, and i can see that you love god and your husband very clearly. my very conservative parents tell me how wrong homosexuality is and i&#8217;ve heard the verses over and over (especially since they found out about my closet relationship), but something inside of me tells me that there is more to it&#8230; stories like yours keep me on the fence. it&#8217;s so hard to know what to believe.</p>
<p>best wishes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.loveisanorientation.com/2009/a-gay-fathers-words-to-conservativism/comment-page-1/#comment-3338</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 22:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Andy - that is my question exactly because I AM one of those children of a gay family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Andy &#8211; that is my question exactly because I AM one of those children of a gay family.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.loveisanorientation.com/2009/a-gay-fathers-words-to-conservativism/comment-page-1/#comment-3337</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 22:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jon

Thanks for sharing your heart here. My dad is my biological dad. He has a partner of 32 years. I&#039;m conservative Christian. How all that works, I&#039;m not exactly sure - I just know I&#039;m not ready to stop wrestling with it - because I believe that in our wrestling and attempts at bridge building is where we discover the most beautiful parts of who we are and who God is. 

This is what I know
1 - I love my dad and his partner. They are part of my family. 
2 - I believe God does not make mistakes. Period (Psalm 18:30)
3 - I believe God is sovereign over all things (that means my life and the life of my family and the life of the church)

This is what I don&#039;t know
1 - How all of this is supposed to work together neatly :) 

I wrote about it on my blog. It is kind of neat to see a dad write about it too, so thanks :) I&#039;ve met other kids of gay-male families talk about some of their experiences, but not dads. 

Thanks for sharing your heart... 

Jenny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jon</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your heart here. My dad is my biological dad. He has a partner of 32 years. I&#8217;m conservative Christian. How all that works, I&#8217;m not exactly sure &#8211; I just know I&#8217;m not ready to stop wrestling with it &#8211; because I believe that in our wrestling and attempts at bridge building is where we discover the most beautiful parts of who we are and who God is. </p>
<p>This is what I know<br />
1 &#8211; I love my dad and his partner. They are part of my family.<br />
2 &#8211; I believe God does not make mistakes. Period (Psalm 18:30)<br />
3 &#8211; I believe God is sovereign over all things (that means my life and the life of my family and the life of the church)</p>
<p>This is what I don&#8217;t know<br />
1 &#8211; How all of this is supposed to work together neatly <img src='http://www.loveisanorientation.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I wrote about it on my blog. It is kind of neat to see a dad write about it too, so thanks <img src='http://www.loveisanorientation.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;ve met other kids of gay-male families talk about some of their experiences, but not dads. </p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your heart&#8230; </p>
<p>Jenny</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Marin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Marin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul - Jon just gave you the most level-headed advice you could ever get. You&#039;re on a journey with you life and faith and sexuality; give it its due process. You need a space to seek God in relation to yourself and others, and however long that space deems, that&#039;s perfectly ok. Much love...we&#039;re here for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul &#8211; Jon just gave you the most level-headed advice you could ever get. You&#8217;re on a journey with you life and faith and sexuality; give it its due process. You need a space to seek God in relation to yourself and others, and however long that space deems, that&#8217;s perfectly ok. Much love&#8230;we&#8217;re here for you!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Trouten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Trouten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing your story, Paul.  Not sure if you&#039;re asking for my two cents, but I&#039;ll offer it anyway and you can do what you want with my advise.

I question whether or not you should date anyone, male or female, until you get a clearer idea of what you&#039;re moving towards.  Dating&#039;s an opportunity to find compatibility for the future.  Do we share common interests?  Is s/he a good person?  Is s/he moral?  Do we have similar goals?  Can I see myself growing old with this person?

I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s fair to your boyfriend or for a future girlfriend to get involved with someone who&#039;s uneasy with the very nature of your relationship.  I mean, what happens to your boyfriend if you ultimately decide that dating guys is wrong?  What happens if you marry a woman like your old professor did and that ultimately doesn&#039;t turn out because you&#039;re gay?

I guess, I&#039;m suggesting that it might be a good thing to take a break on dating anyone until you&#039;re less conflicted about your sexual orientation and your religious identity.

Anyway, thanks again for sharing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your story, Paul.  Not sure if you&#8217;re asking for my two cents, but I&#8217;ll offer it anyway and you can do what you want with my advise.</p>
<p>I question whether or not you should date anyone, male or female, until you get a clearer idea of what you&#8217;re moving towards.  Dating&#8217;s an opportunity to find compatibility for the future.  Do we share common interests?  Is s/he a good person?  Is s/he moral?  Do we have similar goals?  Can I see myself growing old with this person?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s fair to your boyfriend or for a future girlfriend to get involved with someone who&#8217;s uneasy with the very nature of your relationship.  I mean, what happens to your boyfriend if you ultimately decide that dating guys is wrong?  What happens if you marry a woman like your old professor did and that ultimately doesn&#8217;t turn out because you&#8217;re gay?</p>
<p>I guess, I&#8217;m suggesting that it might be a good thing to take a break on dating anyone until you&#8217;re less conflicted about your sexual orientation and your religious identity.</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks again for sharing!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 07:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Jon and Bayah, its late, but I read all of your discussions and felt the need to briefly respond.

I appreciate greatly both of what you have to say, because what you have discussed with each other are the two exact voices that I constantly battle with in my head every second of my life. 

Growing up in a strong loving Christian home with ssa all my life, I am still seeking answers and finding peace with my sexuality. Honestly, I appreciate Bayah&#039;s words and I do believe he is spoken out of love and grace for people like me. I am 23 years old and currently dating a man that is pretty much an atheist. However, he is a man of love and holds high moral values and ethics. He respects my Christian beliefs and agrees to not have sex with me, as for right now, as I continue to seek answers and wisdoms from God and from loving people like you all.  

My college professor is open with his ssa feelings, but decided to get married with a woman and have 3 young daughters, because he believed it was the right thing to do as a follower of Christ. I looked up to him and asked him for guidance and prayer for my life during my college years. Because of his testimony, I also started to have desires to seek relationships with women. Soon after I graduated, I found out that he has left the school and his family to be with his boyfriend. 

This story saddens me greatly and I have great fear whether this is something that would ever happen to me. BUT, even if I continue to stay with my boyfriend and eventually get married with him, I still have doubts in my mind because I know what the Bible clearly says. I also have great fear that when the judgement day comes, I will find out that I have been led astray and have been so selfish because I&#039;ve followed my own heart, not God&#039;s. 

Let me ask my very own fellow gay and lesbian brothers and sisters, &quot;If you really claim yourself to be a Christian, what&#039;s the purpose of your life?&quot; For me as a homosexual, I am continually growing to have the pure desire to glorify God everyday of my life. My ultimate goal in life is to please God and raise Him high, being fully satisfied while doing it. 

I have no idea where God will lead me in the future, being married to a woman? to a man? or even stay celibate and single until I meet my Heavenly Father face to face. Honestly, celibacy will be miserable, not going to lie, especially for someone like me. But it just might be God&#039;s calling in my life, and I believe He is gracious and loving and will guide me to the way that He wants me to go, if I honestly turn to Him.

The purpose for my comment is to encourage everyone of you who is reading this post and I do believe that we all have different lives that God has called us to live. Praying for all of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Jon and Bayah, its late, but I read all of your discussions and felt the need to briefly respond.</p>
<p>I appreciate greatly both of what you have to say, because what you have discussed with each other are the two exact voices that I constantly battle with in my head every second of my life. </p>
<p>Growing up in a strong loving Christian home with ssa all my life, I am still seeking answers and finding peace with my sexuality. Honestly, I appreciate Bayah&#8217;s words and I do believe he is spoken out of love and grace for people like me. I am 23 years old and currently dating a man that is pretty much an atheist. However, he is a man of love and holds high moral values and ethics. He respects my Christian beliefs and agrees to not have sex with me, as for right now, as I continue to seek answers and wisdoms from God and from loving people like you all.  </p>
<p>My college professor is open with his ssa feelings, but decided to get married with a woman and have 3 young daughters, because he believed it was the right thing to do as a follower of Christ. I looked up to him and asked him for guidance and prayer for my life during my college years. Because of his testimony, I also started to have desires to seek relationships with women. Soon after I graduated, I found out that he has left the school and his family to be with his boyfriend. </p>
<p>This story saddens me greatly and I have great fear whether this is something that would ever happen to me. BUT, even if I continue to stay with my boyfriend and eventually get married with him, I still have doubts in my mind because I know what the Bible clearly says. I also have great fear that when the judgement day comes, I will find out that I have been led astray and have been so selfish because I&#8217;ve followed my own heart, not God&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Let me ask my very own fellow gay and lesbian brothers and sisters, &#8220;If you really claim yourself to be a Christian, what&#8217;s the purpose of your life?&#8221; For me as a homosexual, I am continually growing to have the pure desire to glorify God everyday of my life. My ultimate goal in life is to please God and raise Him high, being fully satisfied while doing it. </p>
<p>I have no idea where God will lead me in the future, being married to a woman? to a man? or even stay celibate and single until I meet my Heavenly Father face to face. Honestly, celibacy will be miserable, not going to lie, especially for someone like me. But it just might be God&#8217;s calling in my life, and I believe He is gracious and loving and will guide me to the way that He wants me to go, if I honestly turn to Him.</p>
<p>The purpose for my comment is to encourage everyone of you who is reading this post and I do believe that we all have different lives that God has called us to live. Praying for all of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Bayah</title>
		<link>http://www.loveisanorientation.com/2009/a-gay-fathers-words-to-conservativism/comment-page-1/#comment-2311</link>
		<dc:creator>Bayah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 06:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Iphimedia,

That&#039;s a lot of questions. I don&#039;t know if I should answer them one by one or just give you the gist of things. I don&#039;t feel threatened by the fact that people sin because I&#039;m a sinner like the rest of them. Jesus said the road is narrow and there will be few who enter His Kingdom. It&#039;s true I fear for my soul, perhaps a bit more than most, but I&#039;d fear a lot more if I chose the path of people who think God is just their buddy. Yes, He shows mercy, but He also embodies justice.

We are supposed to pull people aside who sin and try to correct them. If that doesn&#039;t work, we can ask a friend to help, and if after a third attempt with a priest, it&#039;s alright to leave them to it and shake the dust off of our feet. (Can you help me find this passage by St. Paul? It&#039;s late, and you might be able to help me.)

 When Jesus told us not to judge, he did not mean we can&#039;t judge behaviours. How could we function without making judgements each day on what constitutes good or bad behaviour, much less teach our children? There would be little point in Jesus instructing us on how to live if we weren&#039;t allowed to put His teachings in practice. And how can we do that without judging good from bad, privately and as part of a community? Matthew Chapter 7 can shed some light here. The point is not a prohibition against recognizing the sins of others but rather against passing judgement in a spirit of arrogance, forgetful of one&#039;s own faults. 

Nowadays, it&#039;s considered bad behaviour to correct anybody. 

I always scan my days to see where I&#039;ve failed. I ask God for His forgiveness, and then try to improve. In addition, I participate in the Sacrament of Reconciliation. 

Now, to non-Catholics, I appear as a guilt-ridden neurotic. (Were those your thoughts? lol) But in the end, I don&#039;t get judged by you. I get judged by God. Guilt has a definite purpose. You aren&#039;t supposed to dwell on your guilt but rather use it to tell you to get a sin absolved. Once it&#039;s absolved, you can perform penance but you should not dwell on that guilt ever again, nor would you be inclined to. If you go to Reconciliation often enough, you&#039;d probably be LESS guilt-ridden than your non-Catholic friends. I have found that people who don&#039;t believe in Catholic confession end up confessing to their buddies, online, on youtube, on television,  and many other places with no confidentiality like you get with a priest. 

Whenever you see a trial in which the defendant doesn&#039;t feel guilty or won&#039;t admit his guilt, the media will point out that that&#039;s a problem. They will label him or her a sociopath. So guilt is recognized to be a necessary thing when we&#039;ve sinned. Unless it comes to sexual sins. Then guilt is supposed to be tossed out the window. 

Every sin is worthy of close examination, including the ones you mention. I worry about them all. I&#039;m actually quite ineffectual but I keep trying to help those around me in a hundred ways before I get called home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Iphimedia,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a lot of questions. I don&#8217;t know if I should answer them one by one or just give you the gist of things. I don&#8217;t feel threatened by the fact that people sin because I&#8217;m a sinner like the rest of them. Jesus said the road is narrow and there will be few who enter His Kingdom. It&#8217;s true I fear for my soul, perhaps a bit more than most, but I&#8217;d fear a lot more if I chose the path of people who think God is just their buddy. Yes, He shows mercy, but He also embodies justice.</p>
<p>We are supposed to pull people aside who sin and try to correct them. If that doesn&#8217;t work, we can ask a friend to help, and if after a third attempt with a priest, it&#8217;s alright to leave them to it and shake the dust off of our feet. (Can you help me find this passage by St. Paul? It&#8217;s late, and you might be able to help me.)</p>
<p> When Jesus told us not to judge, he did not mean we can&#8217;t judge behaviours. How could we function without making judgements each day on what constitutes good or bad behaviour, much less teach our children? There would be little point in Jesus instructing us on how to live if we weren&#8217;t allowed to put His teachings in practice. And how can we do that without judging good from bad, privately and as part of a community? Matthew Chapter 7 can shed some light here. The point is not a prohibition against recognizing the sins of others but rather against passing judgement in a spirit of arrogance, forgetful of one&#8217;s own faults. </p>
<p>Nowadays, it&#8217;s considered bad behaviour to correct anybody. </p>
<p>I always scan my days to see where I&#8217;ve failed. I ask God for His forgiveness, and then try to improve. In addition, I participate in the Sacrament of Reconciliation. </p>
<p>Now, to non-Catholics, I appear as a guilt-ridden neurotic. (Were those your thoughts? lol) But in the end, I don&#8217;t get judged by you. I get judged by God. Guilt has a definite purpose. You aren&#8217;t supposed to dwell on your guilt but rather use it to tell you to get a sin absolved. Once it&#8217;s absolved, you can perform penance but you should not dwell on that guilt ever again, nor would you be inclined to. If you go to Reconciliation often enough, you&#8217;d probably be LESS guilt-ridden than your non-Catholic friends. I have found that people who don&#8217;t believe in Catholic confession end up confessing to their buddies, online, on youtube, on television,  and many other places with no confidentiality like you get with a priest. </p>
<p>Whenever you see a trial in which the defendant doesn&#8217;t feel guilty or won&#8217;t admit his guilt, the media will point out that that&#8217;s a problem. They will label him or her a sociopath. So guilt is recognized to be a necessary thing when we&#8217;ve sinned. Unless it comes to sexual sins. Then guilt is supposed to be tossed out the window. </p>
<p>Every sin is worthy of close examination, including the ones you mention. I worry about them all. I&#8217;m actually quite ineffectual but I keep trying to help those around me in a hundred ways before I get called home.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Marin</title>
		<link>http://www.loveisanorientation.com/2009/a-gay-fathers-words-to-conservativism/comment-page-1/#comment-2303</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Marin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iphimedia - Thank you for being so gracious in asking your questions. I think such discussions with Bayah and Jon are extremly important because they are a microcosum of broader societal disconnects. If we can do it here, learning how to engage in productive means, we can do it in person as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iphimedia &#8211; Thank you for being so gracious in asking your questions. I think such discussions with Bayah and Jon are extremly important because they are a microcosum of broader societal disconnects. If we can do it here, learning how to engage in productive means, we can do it in person as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Iphimedia</title>
		<link>http://www.loveisanorientation.com/2009/a-gay-fathers-words-to-conservativism/comment-page-1/#comment-2301</link>
		<dc:creator>Iphimedia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bayah: I am sorry you feel so threatened in the world by people you regard as sinners. I would imagine it would feel terrible to feel so fearful all the time. I am a bisexual woman and I wonder if you see me as a woman who sins doubly so as my gay and lesbian brothers and sisters. I also wonder if you feel as threatened by your awareness of your own sins, or of different kinds of sins you see around you, and feel the need or motivation to point them out in public or private to yourself or other. For example, if you see a relative putting down another family member viciously, do you say, &quot;It is wrong to emotionally abuse or ridicule one another?&quot; Do you monitor sins like this in yourself? Do you speak up when you see pending legislation that will leave children hungry or poor people without clothes, which I believe Jesus enjoined us to see as sinful? I&#039;m just wondering what your motivation is behind pointing out specificially sexual sins to those around you, and if it is a religious or biblical reason, why stop with sexual sins, when sins against the poor, against hypocrisy by those in power, and the like, are so common as well. Jesus enjoined also to be humble, to be aware of not of our own righteousness (the parable of the righteous man and the sinful tax collector praying) and not to judge. How do these sentiments fit in with your policy of pointing out others&#039; sins aloud? Finally, the greatest commandment calls us to love our neighbor as ourselves, and so to me this means treating our neighbors, far and near, as we ourselves would like to be treated. Are you grateful to those in your family or strangers who might point out your sins of any kind aloud? Do you point out the wonderful and beautiful things that your family and friends do to and for you as well as their sins? Have you thanked your friends for being friends with you, as well as their sins?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bayah: I am sorry you feel so threatened in the world by people you regard as sinners. I would imagine it would feel terrible to feel so fearful all the time. I am a bisexual woman and I wonder if you see me as a woman who sins doubly so as my gay and lesbian brothers and sisters. I also wonder if you feel as threatened by your awareness of your own sins, or of different kinds of sins you see around you, and feel the need or motivation to point them out in public or private to yourself or other. For example, if you see a relative putting down another family member viciously, do you say, &#8220;It is wrong to emotionally abuse or ridicule one another?&#8221; Do you monitor sins like this in yourself? Do you speak up when you see pending legislation that will leave children hungry or poor people without clothes, which I believe Jesus enjoined us to see as sinful? I&#8217;m just wondering what your motivation is behind pointing out specificially sexual sins to those around you, and if it is a religious or biblical reason, why stop with sexual sins, when sins against the poor, against hypocrisy by those in power, and the like, are so common as well. Jesus enjoined also to be humble, to be aware of not of our own righteousness (the parable of the righteous man and the sinful tax collector praying) and not to judge. How do these sentiments fit in with your policy of pointing out others&#8217; sins aloud? Finally, the greatest commandment calls us to love our neighbor as ourselves, and so to me this means treating our neighbors, far and near, as we ourselves would like to be treated. Are you grateful to those in your family or strangers who might point out your sins of any kind aloud? Do you point out the wonderful and beautiful things that your family and friends do to and for you as well as their sins? Have you thanked your friends for being friends with you, as well as their sins?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.loveisanorientation.com/2009/a-gay-fathers-words-to-conservativism/comment-page-1/#comment-2294</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 05:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bayah - My apologies for assuming that you had said some things that you might not have said in person. As you stated that you have &quot;not said anything different than you would in real life&quot; I will take you at your word that you would say the same thing to Jon if you just met him in person today. It&#039;s a good lesson for me to not assume or come to a conclusion without sufficient facts to base it upon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bayah &#8211; My apologies for assuming that you had said some things that you might not have said in person. As you stated that you have &#8220;not said anything different than you would in real life&#8221; I will take you at your word that you would say the same thing to Jon if you just met him in person today. It&#8217;s a good lesson for me to not assume or come to a conclusion without sufficient facts to base it upon.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.loveisanorientation.com/2009/a-gay-fathers-words-to-conservativism/comment-page-1/#comment-2293</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 05:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough. But no one is trying to take away your freedom to say what you would like. My main point was merely that trying to call out or correct someone that you do not know through a detached and rather impersonal electronic form of communication is probably not the best place to start when you do not have a history together and this is the first time that you have started communicating with one another. It is different when your lives become intertwined and the other person knows that you care deeply about them, hence the example with your friend and family that you cited. To be a little cliche, the saying &quot;people do not care about what you think until they know how much you care&quot; applies here as your family knows that you care about them so they will listen when you try to speak into their lives. The opposite is true when telling someone that you do not know that homosexuality is a sin. For the most part it can be assumed that you will be met with hostility or a negative response even if you are acting out of love if you tell this to someone who is gay that you do not personally know. Not only do most gay individuals hear you calling their relationship and sexual expression a sin, but many will also hear you calling their entire being into question because it is not only seen as a sexual expression but an inherent part of who they are as a person. I am not trying to get into the whole nature/nurture debate, but am just saying that this is the outlook of many in the gay community regardless of whether it is right or wrong. That is why I referred to it as &quot;strong language&quot; as it has the potential to be damaging to the other person, especially when you do not have a history with them that is rooted in unconditional love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough. But no one is trying to take away your freedom to say what you would like. My main point was merely that trying to call out or correct someone that you do not know through a detached and rather impersonal electronic form of communication is probably not the best place to start when you do not have a history together and this is the first time that you have started communicating with one another. It is different when your lives become intertwined and the other person knows that you care deeply about them, hence the example with your friend and family that you cited. To be a little cliche, the saying &#8220;people do not care about what you think until they know how much you care&#8221; applies here as your family knows that you care about them so they will listen when you try to speak into their lives. The opposite is true when telling someone that you do not know that homosexuality is a sin. For the most part it can be assumed that you will be met with hostility or a negative response even if you are acting out of love if you tell this to someone who is gay that you do not personally know. Not only do most gay individuals hear you calling their relationship and sexual expression a sin, but many will also hear you calling their entire being into question because it is not only seen as a sexual expression but an inherent part of who they are as a person. I am not trying to get into the whole nature/nurture debate, but am just saying that this is the outlook of many in the gay community regardless of whether it is right or wrong. That is why I referred to it as &#8220;strong language&#8221; as it has the potential to be damaging to the other person, especially when you do not have a history with them that is rooted in unconditional love.</p>
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