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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andrew

Really excited to come across your website - it was recommended by a random US guy who messaged me on facebook! I guess I&#039;ll hear you speak live soon too, as me and my family are longstanding Spring Harvest attenders, and already booked into Minehead later this year.

My partner and I have written a book which was published last month. &#039;Living it Out: a survival guide for lesbian, gay and bisexual Christians and their friends, families and churches&#039;. Sorry for the blatant plug, but I thought it might interest you. As a lesbian couple, we were motivated wanting LGB people, their parents, kids and friends to find ways to hang on in their with God and church. 

We wanted to get away from sterortypes of bigotted Christian homophobes and of promiscous ungodly gay people, and to share ways that people hold LGB issues and God together. We try to get away from dry and judgmental theological arguments, and to focus on lived experiences of faith. So, like you, on building bridges.

Anyway, looking forward to coming to your session at Spring Harvest and let us know if you&#039;d like us to get you a review copy of the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew</p>
<p>Really excited to come across your website &#8211; it was recommended by a random US guy who messaged me on facebook! I guess I&#8217;ll hear you speak live soon too, as me and my family are longstanding Spring Harvest attenders, and already booked into Minehead later this year.</p>
<p>My partner and I have written a book which was published last month. &#8216;Living it Out: a survival guide for lesbian, gay and bisexual Christians and their friends, families and churches&#8217;. Sorry for the blatant plug, but I thought it might interest you. As a lesbian couple, we were motivated wanting LGB people, their parents, kids and friends to find ways to hang on in their with God and church. </p>
<p>We wanted to get away from sterortypes of bigotted Christian homophobes and of promiscous ungodly gay people, and to share ways that people hold LGB issues and God together. We try to get away from dry and judgmental theological arguments, and to focus on lived experiences of faith. So, like you, on building bridges.</p>
<p>Anyway, looking forward to coming to your session at Spring Harvest and let us know if you&#8217;d like us to get you a review copy of the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Marin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Marin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, one other thing...   In that same sense, America and the UK are in similar positions surrounding mainstream power struggles as the church continues to lose influence and the gay community continues to influence national policy without (on a secular national level) the church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, one other thing&#8230;   In that same sense, America and the UK are in similar positions surrounding mainstream power struggles as the church continues to lose influence and the gay community continues to influence national policy without (on a secular national level) the church.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Marin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Marin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt - I honestly believe you hit that right in the bullseye. It begs the broader question of: Who has the dominate power/influence to disseminate their positions/beliefs over a wide scope audience. The problem with this framework is that &#039;the other&#039; (whichever group &#039;the other&#039; fits into) becomes an enemy rather than a child of God. At least in America, that is what has clearly happened and thus formed a very deliniated culture war between the gay and conservative communities! 

I will be getting more into this in upcoming posts, but from what I experienced in the United Kingdom, the small size in numbers within the  conservative church (speaking w/a broad brush) is trying very hard to figure out a way to just retain their beliefs as justified within culture. That seems to be one of the main focuses in the gay-conservative disconnect. 

I think one of the main threats is that the gay community is indeed a minority; yet in many situations that minority is strongly influencing majority mindset. Especially from what I saw in the UK, this is a huge deal due to the small size of the conservative Christian community - I feel many of them believe their voice, cultural/religous hold, etc will become completely obsolete. I know this is all much more nuanced and involved than that, but I&#039;ll start there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt &#8211; I honestly believe you hit that right in the bullseye. It begs the broader question of: Who has the dominate power/influence to disseminate their positions/beliefs over a wide scope audience. The problem with this framework is that &#8216;the other&#8217; (whichever group &#8216;the other&#8217; fits into) becomes an enemy rather than a child of God. At least in America, that is what has clearly happened and thus formed a very deliniated culture war between the gay and conservative communities! </p>
<p>I will be getting more into this in upcoming posts, but from what I experienced in the United Kingdom, the small size in numbers within the  conservative church (speaking w/a broad brush) is trying very hard to figure out a way to just retain their beliefs as justified within culture. That seems to be one of the main focuses in the gay-conservative disconnect. </p>
<p>I think one of the main threats is that the gay community is indeed a minority; yet in many situations that minority is strongly influencing majority mindset. Especially from what I saw in the UK, this is a huge deal due to the small size of the conservative Christian community &#8211; I feel many of them believe their voice, cultural/religous hold, etc will become completely obsolete. I know this is all much more nuanced and involved than that, but I&#8217;ll start there.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.loveisanorientation.com/2010/part-1-united-kingdom/comment-page-1/#comment-2283</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my hunch of how things are, especially in the large and broad denominations. 

The evangelical leadership is fighting tooth and nail to retain conservative doctrine and discipline. Sometimes they seem to be winning (Church of England), sometimes they seem to be losing (Church of Scotland). However, what this means is that it&#039;s really hard for them to hear anything which might suggest they aren&#039;t seeing things quite right - that would call into question all their work, that might hand over their church to &#039;liberals and immorality&#039;. 

As a consequence, I see evangelicals convinced that they are utterly justified in their stance at the same time as being apparently unconcerned that a significant minority of the population (and those who empathize with them) are barred from the church by default.

This is an internal church conversation, I suppose, rather than one between the church and the GLBT community, but I think it lies behind the lack of constructive engagement with the GLBT community by the evangelical Church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my hunch of how things are, especially in the large and broad denominations. </p>
<p>The evangelical leadership is fighting tooth and nail to retain conservative doctrine and discipline. Sometimes they seem to be winning (Church of England), sometimes they seem to be losing (Church of Scotland). However, what this means is that it&#8217;s really hard for them to hear anything which might suggest they aren&#8217;t seeing things quite right &#8211; that would call into question all their work, that might hand over their church to &#8216;liberals and immorality&#8217;. </p>
<p>As a consequence, I see evangelicals convinced that they are utterly justified in their stance at the same time as being apparently unconcerned that a significant minority of the population (and those who empathize with them) are barred from the church by default.</p>
<p>This is an internal church conversation, I suppose, rather than one between the church and the GLBT community, but I think it lies behind the lack of constructive engagement with the GLBT community by the evangelical Church.</p>
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		<title>By: Hihopes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hihopes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know Nicky Gumbel&#039;s work with the Alpha series? It is excellent work to bring non-believers to an understanding of God and what it means to walk the life of a Christian. Many of the local churches here use the materials and program to bring folks into the church while forming a community-experience. 

His work includes the interpretation of homosexuality that we are all familiar with. While I find what the material and program does to bring people together and in pursuit of God is fabulous; I find this part, specifically, separates and divides....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know Nicky Gumbel&#8217;s work with the Alpha series? It is excellent work to bring non-believers to an understanding of God and what it means to walk the life of a Christian. Many of the local churches here use the materials and program to bring folks into the church while forming a community-experience. </p>
<p>His work includes the interpretation of homosexuality that we are all familiar with. While I find what the material and program does to bring people together and in pursuit of God is fabulous; I find this part, specifically, separates and divides&#8230;.</p>
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